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ehy
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:54 am Post subject:
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Hm... this one really bothered me. I got the sense that this woman was seriously upset by what had happened to her. Obviously I don't know the full context, and I suppose it's possible this was something reasonable... but honestly this seemed to me to be exactly the sort of thing which, if it were as true of most porn as the anti-porn folks say it is, might make me agree with them. Putting a person in a situation that literally drives her to tears, filming it from multiple angles, and distributing the results is Not Okay in my personal book.
I'm not saying this well, I know. Suffice it to say that I decided my personal ethics didn't allow me to keep this on my hard drive, and I'd encourage you to think about whether you think this woman - was treated in an acceptable way. I don't need to know your answer and I don't want to start a fight... but I couldn't let this go unsaid.
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anthryax
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:26 am Post subject: a little disturbing
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I found it a bit disturbing too. It seemed cruel to me. I don't mind fictional nonconseual (however you spell that) ASFR stories and movies, but real life television and pictures of the same, of a real human in a real situation stripped of the fantasy, bothers me. Now I couldn't understand the language so I could be off base, but it looked to me like she was in genuine emotional pain.
I am glad EHY that I wasn't the only one who was disturbed by that.
I have seen some other Asian (usually Japanese) television that seem to stress public humiliation (and now the American television market is going there too) to a degree beyond the public embarrassment of earlier stuff like Candid Camera for example.
I guess what I am saying is that I would rather see something acted out, and clearly fictional (like Stuckfasts work), then this clip. But for those of you who liked it, well, I guess I will just agree to disagree with you. No offense meant.
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araenae

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:22 am Post subject:
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I agree with Anthryax and Ehy, but I suppose there's some kind of reward for that kind of embarassment (money, I think), otherwise, I can't imagine how could they broadcast that kind of material right?, is like a non-consensual version of jackass 
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:34 am Post subject:
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| Hm... this one really bothered me. I got the sense that this woman was seriously upset by what had happened to her. |
How is this different then Fear Factor? She knew what she was getting into, from the begining, most likely.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:10 pm Post subject: It's fiction
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If someone could paint a woman with a special substance to make her immobile, I would know about! It's fiction people. If it was not consentual she would have moved alot more. It was bad freeze acting! And when they put her down she wouldhave run away! Yo You guys didn't actually think she was trapped do you? It's a fetish flick. God. This is no different than any other fiction that depicts evil doers and beautiful female victims. Most monster movies display that theme. I admit it would be unethical to paint a woman to make her body become like a mannequin and display her. Gilligan is not a real person. There is no desert island. Like I said, they should have shaved her head.
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WK
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject:
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I think you missed the point of those voicing discomfort at the clip. It has the appearance of being fiction only in the sense that "reality tv" is staged and therefore fictional. My sense was that she agreed to the stunt, but then in doing it found it too much to handle and ran to the van. The last bit with her crying really bothered me as well. If it was faked, then I must not be the target audience because it ruined the whole thing for me, and if it was real, it was distasteful to say the least to include it. I can hope that in the end she agreed to the film's release, but who knows?
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anthryax
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:21 pm Post subject: reality television
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I saw what you saw WK. Sure, she agreed to do the stunt, but I have the distinct impression that the stunt she agreed to was NOT the stunt she ended up doing. Her running away distraught ruined it for me as well.
I am convinced that it was not acting.
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ehy
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:51 am Post subject:
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What WK and anthyrax said was exactly what I meant. Thanks for picking it up and saying it more clearly than I did. At the beginning, when I was assuming it was something like a publicity stunt that she'd agreed to and was enjoying, I liked it. But I don't want anybody driving real women to tears for my perverted pleasure.
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freezefan6

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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 9:17 am Post subject:
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I realize now that I didnt get the whole clip. The one I saw ended with her standing with the other mannequins. I'm not into torture, at least not to that extent! I figured that the part I missed was her ACTING like she was crying. I guessed that the whole thing was a fetish flick.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 10:55 pm Post subject:
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Acturally most Japanese Mid-night Show is extremly crazy.....
The one I have uploaded to the community is a bit "normal" in their sence.
From my japanese friend who watch the whole show, the AV girl didn't have any idea after the body paint is finish, the Host only told her she must kept very still in next 2 hours in order to get a price (500K yen or something....I dunno...) (Just like an ASFR friction, The paint dry and AV gril became LM forever! !). After 30 mins, they strat to transport her...Then, you know...
I agree that the ending of this clip is quiet nasty. I hope it didn't ruin any enjoyment. Again, sorry for anyone who has bad feeling after watching this clip.....
Japanese Mid-night show is always have some crazy and un-human ideas to tortune the AV Girl. I have even watched a show about anothr AV nude girl has encased in a translucent plastic ball (no blowing, that is hard plastic!) for 3 days and finally the Host roll her down from the hill.......
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:39 am Post subject:
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I like this clip, if there is more? The reason I like mannequin is because it involve public and real. This clip is perfect.
Give me more, if there is no mannequin other form is ok too.
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